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What we learned this week from Dr Lisa Kemmerer during our Wisdom Walk

This week we enjoyed learning about The Ethics of Veganism with Dr. Lisa Kemmerer

NHA Podcast - Hosted by Dr Frank Sabatino

Wisdom Walks are facilitated by Sia Hurst

As a recognized authority on the benefits of a plant-based lifestyle, Dr. Frank Sabatino has cared for and inspired thousands of people for over 40 years. Dr. Sabatino has a PhD in cell biology and neuroendocrinology and has done extensive landmark research on calorie restriction, stress, and aging. He currently is on staff at the TrueNorth Health Foundation in Santa Rosa, CA, and serves as the Director of Health Education at the NHA.

We are grateful to the NHA for allowing us to use their podcasts exclusively for all of our Wisdom Walks. Please consider becoming a member of this amazing organization.


As a distinguished figure in the realms of anymal (ed: her word) ethics and social justice activism, Dr Kemmerer shares a journey marked by diverse experiences, academic accomplishments, and a steadfast commitment to hands-on advocacy. Her insights offer a deep understanding of the complex relationships interweaving anymal welfare, environmental concerns, and broader social justice issues.

Retiring from a 20-year teaching career in 2020, Dr. Kemmerer transitioned to full-time social justice activism with Tapestry, the vegan educational organization she founded. Her advocacy extends beyond anymal rights to encompass broader social justice issues, addressing the interconnected challenges facing humanity, anymals, and the environment.

As Dr. Kemmerer continues her work with Tapestry, her holistic approach to advocacy serves as an inspiration for those seeking meaningful change in the realms of ethics, compassion, and justice. Tapestry’s unique philosophy, commitment to knowledge accessibility, and collaborative efforts stand as pillars in building a more just and compassionate world.


As we were walking and learning together yesterday during our Wisdom Walk, I managed to take a few notes and I would like to share a few of the ideas which impacted me in some way. I am not quoting anyone, I am paraphrasing what I heard during the interview - filtered by my own mitote of ideas and thoughts, not to mention sometimes it is not easy to walk, listen, learn and take notes all at the same time! This is what I remember hearing and what I felt to be important to my reality.

I took plenty of notes and learned so much from Chef Bravo and Dr Sabatino about their own practices and how to overcome obstacles from living this lifestyle.

As someone who came to this lifestyle of whole food plant-based eating for health and not ethical reasons, I was especially excited to learn more from Dr Lisa Kemmerer about the ethics of veganism. The ethical part took a few years to develop to be honest; it took time to learn about the realities of the animals and then even more time to reconcile the disparity in how I cuddle and love my precious cats and how I treated other animals on this planet. I know the ‘top of the food chain’ soundbite – but I am not biting.

  • Tapestry focuses on animal ethics and religions' connections to veganism

  • Social justice cannot be attained unless we integrate animals' rights

  • Experience and travel are great teachers and guides to the realities in the world

  • When we confine animals, we choose for them, which is not our right

  • We cannot know if 'helping' other sentient beings could actually be 'harming' them

  • All sentient beings must have autonomy to make decisions for their lives

  • Hope is the most important thing - without it we cannot move forward

  • We all have a place on this planet

  • We all have a gift to offer the planet

  • Whatever work we do, we do together - with hope and love

  • "God creates the world. God is Love"

  • "Compassion is at the core"

Thank you to Dr Lisa Kemmerer and Dr Sabatino for a wonderful interview together, for getting us moving whilst learning and for the joy and knowledge you both continue to share with us all - you have our gratitude.


Each week, on Wednesday, we will meet on zoom as a community for our Wisdom Walk together. This FREE weekly event is open to all 6D Living Members and there is absolutely no obligation to attend each week. We will connect for each meeting via zoom and Sia will share the audio of the podcast with everyone via her computer. We will be able to see one another in the zoom room and chat in the zoom chat.

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